tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6734108232999147338.post7986702639083571335..comments2023-09-05T08:36:25.033-07:00Comments on Author Lisa Gail Green: Tragic MonstersLisa Gail Greenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03648323153868702165noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6734108232999147338.post-82046446440437683892011-09-21T12:28:42.115-07:002011-09-21T12:28:42.115-07:00Flat out, true evil is kind of boring for me. I de...Flat out, true evil is kind of boring for me. I definitely prefer a well-rounded monster that has some sympathetic qualities or backstory. These characters make me think and want to peel back the layers to understand them. Monsters that are somewhat human in some way are more scary, too, I think. Patch was a great example.Cynthia Chapman Willishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12408985785062180536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6734108232999147338.post-64245823290232744692011-09-20T17:10:16.139-07:002011-09-20T17:10:16.139-07:00I'm in. Give them a glimmer of redemption and ...I'm in. Give them a glimmer of redemption and I'm all over that. That being said, a helping of bad boy never hurts.Leslie S. Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17122865337924270039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6734108232999147338.post-13565825044786332122011-09-20T16:50:01.082-07:002011-09-20T16:50:01.082-07:00Aha! The tragic villain.... my fav! I'm like y...Aha! The tragic villain.... my fav! I'm like you, Lisa. I tend to root for the underdog because I'm hoping, with all my heart, that in the end, good with prevail...and the "bad boy" qualities will kinda remain. Haha! <br /><br />Writing these characters are tricky because there's a fine line between getting the reader invested in the character and rooting them also, and painting them incorrectly with one wrong stroke to where the reader will absolutely hate the character and throw the book across the room. <br />You know my favorite is Damon as well, but a new character has crept his way up there: Jim Heron from J.R. Ward's Fallen Angels series. He's the perfect mix of good and evil and both sides come out, but you really want him to stay on the right side of the tracks and keep plugging along to win the war. <br /><br />Great post! :)Melinda S. Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05185708322661542646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6734108232999147338.post-74810208161072402422011-09-20T10:43:40.127-07:002011-09-20T10:43:40.127-07:00Tara -I love finding new exercises like that. They...Tara -I love finding new exercises like that. They can be very enlightening.<br /><br />Angela - Love your ssssssssssssssssss<br /><br />Deb - It's a much safer way to get your fix!<br /><br />Chipper - That sounds REALLY INTERESTING. Thank you for sharing that!<br /><br />CherylAnne - Fun to write. At least for me! :DLisa Gail Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03648323153868702165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6734108232999147338.post-41203746649074044782011-09-20T09:22:01.879-07:002011-09-20T09:22:01.879-07:00I love these villains too. Haven't tried writi...I love these villains too. Haven't tried writing one yet, but an idea I have for my next wip may include this type of antagonist.CherylAnne Hamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02324135447961686703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6734108232999147338.post-36578336564755891012011-09-20T07:39:14.900-07:002011-09-20T07:39:14.900-07:00This post makes me think of Dan Wells' "I...This post makes me think of Dan Wells' "I Am Not a Serial Killer." The MC is 15 years old, from a dysfunctional family, smart, with some sociopathic tendencies, and he's convinced he'll become a serial killer if he's not careful. So he's got all these rules to live by, in order to protect other people from himself. I was surprised about how that kind of struggle made me feel for the MC, especially since he's so young.Chipper Musehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03500665992146450616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6734108232999147338.post-45777001510929615522011-09-20T05:24:35.029-07:002011-09-20T05:24:35.029-07:00I haven't read much fiction of this sort, but ...I haven't read much fiction of this sort, but I relate to this as one who's drawn to it in real life. "He's so moody! But underneath, there's so much beautiful complexity and goodness! It's my mission to find it!"<br /><br />*headdesk*<br /><br />I'm going to have to read the fiction you've touched on here and get my fix that way. :pDebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06036505968642985025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6734108232999147338.post-22311496720603704112011-09-19T21:58:15.483-07:002011-09-19T21:58:15.483-07:00Oh my yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss. Love this ...Oh my yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss. Love this character type! I am such a sucker for the ones that believe they are monsters but their fight shows they are not. Great post!<br /><br />Angela @ The Bookshelf MuseAngela Ackermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01808259088625142389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6734108232999147338.post-59257250371705423422011-09-19T18:50:27.110-07:002011-09-19T18:50:27.110-07:00I did a great exercise on antagonists (and finding...I did a great exercise on antagonists (and finding all their sides/reasons) a while ago. It was so enlightening!Tarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09008153523366719973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6734108232999147338.post-22543348253305432882011-09-19T13:48:31.485-07:002011-09-19T13:48:31.485-07:00Bethany - Ooh you should try it!
Susan -Primal is...Bethany - Ooh you should try it!<br /><br />Susan -Primal is such a good word. I like that.<br /><br />Heather - He he you connect with them the best. *snickers* Kidding! I know what you mean. I agree.<br /><br />Anna - Angel is a great example. And it never hurts when they're hot. LOL<br /><br />Margo - What an awesome point about Star Wars! Well said.Lisa Gail Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03648323153868702165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6734108232999147338.post-62120084646032561182011-09-19T13:06:58.520-07:002011-09-19T13:06:58.520-07:00I love tragic monsters too, the thing I love most ...I love tragic monsters too, the thing I love most of all is when the antagonist has a change of heart and switches sides. Star Wars wasn't truly epic until Darth Vader ditched the Emperor to save Luke. :)Margo Berendsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03476308235642890474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6734108232999147338.post-82695669350338865582011-09-19T11:17:28.517-07:002011-09-19T11:17:28.517-07:00Those characters are certainly interesting because...Those characters are certainly interesting because you know there's the potential for them to go over to the dark side. My favorite example of this was Angel from Buffy. Even though he was mostly good, he could turn bad at any moment. The fact that he was good-looking didn't hurt, either. :-)Anna Staniszewskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09316883819771607655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6734108232999147338.post-38168747694499212582011-09-19T10:35:24.295-07:002011-09-19T10:35:24.295-07:00I love the sympathetic bad guys, they pull me righ...I love the sympathetic bad guys, they pull me right in! Damon is a prime example, and the first one I thought of as I started reading your post. *sigh* For me sympathetic monsters are easy to write because I connect with them the best.Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130733681254163610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6734108232999147338.post-15999039622839879832011-09-19T10:21:19.992-07:002011-09-19T10:21:19.992-07:00Any good inner struggle is going to get me going, ...Any good inner struggle is going to get me going, especially if it's primal like that! I've toyed with one, but not written a good-evil conflict (but different kinds of conflicts). I do have a story idea lingering out there with a MC like this. I'm not sure if it plays better as a secondary character though... Hmm....Susan Kaye Quinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07348197999397141067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6734108232999147338.post-75935315123093275762011-09-19T09:46:01.704-07:002011-09-19T09:46:01.704-07:00I don't know if I've ever written a tragic...I don't know if I've ever written a tragic monster, but now I want to. I do love reading stories about them, though. :)Bethany Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12829932931010851406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6734108232999147338.post-69105412433464345682011-09-19T09:26:37.136-07:002011-09-19T09:26:37.136-07:00Awomyn - Batman and Catwoman are AWESOME examples ...Awomyn - Batman and Catwoman are AWESOME examples of this type of character! Nice. <br /><br />Julie - Sounds like a great book. I've only read one of hers but I did enjoy it.Lisa Gail Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03648323153868702165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6734108232999147338.post-47104825479413245052011-09-19T08:53:47.531-07:002011-09-19T08:53:47.531-07:00One of my favorite books was Wideacre by Phillipa ...One of my favorite books was Wideacre by Phillipa Gregory. In that book the mc was crazy, I mean certifiably nutty, and she did some horrible, HORRIBLE thing. But from the beginning of the story, the author made it clear what the goal was. Knowing the WHY made me root for this crazy character even while she did those horrible things. Now THAT writer was brilliant.Julie Musilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02150454913885915017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6734108232999147338.post-75954642668811135352011-09-19T08:40:09.809-07:002011-09-19T08:40:09.809-07:00This topic is actually why Batman is my all-time f...This topic is actually why Batman is my all-time favorite super "hero" and Catwoman is my favorite "villain". Both characters fall into the gray category.<br /><br />There are some versions of Batman where he's more "pure" than he was, in my opinion, meant to be. And, there are some versions of Catwoman where she's badder than she was meant to be. But, in a general sense, they both ride the good/evil fence, sometimes falling on one side, sometimes the other.<br /><br />He's dark and complicated, motivated by less altruistic means than most super heroes, and what he does is illegal (even if it is typically appreciated). She's mysterious and selfish, but certainly not "evil" - she's really just being playful.<br /><br />I know this post isn't about superheroes, it's about more literary characters, but I find these characters to be the most interesting because they encompass the kind of traits you've described.<br /><br />That said, the characters who are doing all the wrong things, because they believe them to be all the right things, can also be extremely interesting and complicated. In the end, in my opinion, it all boils down to how the character is written. Good guy, bad guy - the reader should be able to find something they can either relate to or sympathize with in the character.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6734108232999147338.post-41440876343055078672011-09-19T07:58:10.511-07:002011-09-19T07:58:10.511-07:00Shain - That gray area is so important, I agree!
...Shain - That gray area is so important, I agree!<br /><br />Laura - Yes, I think Hannibal fits. :D<br /><br />Stina - Justified. That does make a compelling villain. <br /><br />Carradee - actually I did include a female!! Ridley from Beautiful Creatures is the perfect example IMHO. :DLisa Gail Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03648323153868702165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6734108232999147338.post-58002431261077772402011-09-19T07:00:36.732-07:002011-09-19T07:00:36.732-07:00Hm. On the surface, I like the tragic monster, as...Hm. On the surface, I like the tragic monster, as well, but I didn't like Patch. Though I think that mostly because he seemed abusive to me.<br /><br />So I think tragic monsters are difficult to pull off, and they'll always off-put someone.<br /><br />I notice that your list of "tragic monsters" is all male. Which is making me wonder about the females…Carradeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05431561739001270522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6734108232999147338.post-23546848964435775612011-09-19T05:06:11.190-07:002011-09-19T05:06:11.190-07:00I haven't. I'm with Laura. Give me a well ...I haven't. I'm with Laura. Give me a well rounded villain any day. <br /><br />My favorites are the ones who feel justified to do what they're doing, and don't consider themselves evil. They are doing what they feel is the right thing to do, even it if isn't.Stinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11415189347501942340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6734108232999147338.post-30908375627305407512011-09-19T03:43:40.419-07:002011-09-19T03:43:40.419-07:00I'll love any villain that is well rounded whe...I'll love any villain that is well rounded where we catch a glimpse into their minds! Hannibal fits, right?Laura Paulinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06503090226508079501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6734108232999147338.post-33860676570844434352011-09-19T03:34:11.130-07:002011-09-19T03:34:11.130-07:00It seems there are more sympathetic monsters than ...It seems there are more sympathetic monsters than we realize. Many of these bad guys, aren't bad just for the sake of being bad, but rather there is a reason, a motivation that springs them into this role. And often times as we sympathize with their situation we see them as merely Tragic Monsters.<br /><br />I prefer a Tragic Monster to a "bad guy' any day. He offers a gray area that otherwise I wouldn't see.Shain Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01908810007467259885noreply@blogger.com